Building Boundaries, Beating Burnout, and Cold Plunging with Kris Rice

What if two and a half minutes in cold water could reset your nervous system, sharpen your intuition, and make you a better leader? This week, Jazzmyn sits down with Kris Rice, founder of Chill Pod, to explore how a DIY horse trough in her backyard sparked a wellness product brand — and a whole new philosophy on what it means to show up for yourself.

Kris shares the deeply personal journey that led her to cold plunging, how her background in holistic coaching shaped her founder mindset, and why she believes your inexperience can actually be your greatest superpower. Together, Jazzmyn and Kris unpack the real reasons founders struggle to trust their gut, the power of non-negotiable self-care practices, and why redefining success on your own terms is the antidote to burnout.

In this episode:

• What cold plunging actually is (and why it doesn't require a bag of ice)
• How resetting your nervous system can make you a calmer, more decisive leader
• The business boundaries Kris had to learn the hard way
• Why walking meetings and meditation are her non-negotiables
• What it means to finally hold the physical product you dreamed up from scratch

Whether you're a founder, a creative, or just someone tired of running on empty — this episode will inspire you to slow down, ground in, and show up as your most resourced self.

Connect with Kris: 🌐 thechillpod.co | 📸 @thechillpod | @krisricewellness

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Are you sitting with thousands of hours of B-roll content and telling yourself, I'll start posting tomorrow? Are you in your head worried about your friends and family thinking your friends produce it to be visible? Are you chasing trends instead of building influence? Welcome to the Visibility Standard, where the visionaries of today are changing the roles of their industries and letting their voice be heard. I'm your host, Jasmine, and we are setting the standard. I'm so excited to have Chris Rice on the pod today. She is the owner-founder of Chill Pod. And as my audience is based primarily of founders, creatives, and high achievers who a lot of times get bogged down with that stress, it's so important that we are able to take care of ourselves, manage that stress, and be able to show up and do what we need to do. Chris, thank you so much for joining me today. Thank you for having me. I'm excited to be here. So tell us about Chil Pod. I mean, cold plunging has, I feel like, emerged in the space, like over the last five or so years as a real de-stressing technique. Tell us how you got started.

SPEAKER_02 1:16

So my start was that I was full on, like, no, I do not want to do this. There was a lot of resistance, which I think is relatable. So I never meet anyone who's like, super, tell me more about cold plunging. I want to try it. Nobody ever wants to try it. And I get it. So a couple of years ago, I have two daughters. They're teens and tweens now. And when they were younger, had a lot of mental health struggles. So I say that because from a stress standpoint, I really poured into them. I did everything I could to try and find different and innovative ways to support them. And along that journey, really realized that I was neglecting my own need for that same support. And so alongside them, I would also dive into what could I do to help myself feel better, to feel less anxiety, to manage the stress that I have, all of those things. And I found a lot of things that I loved. I loved meditation. I love getting out in nature. I love moving my body, all of these things that are great, but take a ton of time. So at the end of the day, I had this whole toolbox of things I could do that was literally like a full-time job. So it was from that space that I was talking to a friend one day, and I think just feeling particularly like a little hopeless that day. And from that space, she was like, Really, have you tried cold plunging? And I was like, No, I honestly like it just sounds so bad. I don't want to do it. And she was like, I get it, but like it really has changed for me. I wonder if it would change for you. It feels like it will. So I finally stopped saying no to it that day. And I went online. I bought a horse truff on Ace Hardware, and literally was like, I'm just gonna DIY this because there's a good chance in my mind that I may never do this again. I don't want people to like laugh at me. I don't want them to judge me. I'm gonna do this in my backyard. And literally, my three people will be the only ones that know about this if it's a total fail. And so, in hindsight, like the water wasn't crazy cold, but I got out and I had a smile on my face and I felt better than I had in years. And so I just knew that there was something there for me. And so I would continue to go back to it. I learned how to make it colder. I did all of those things, and I would literally sit in that water and dream up how I could make this better and different. And that's truly where Chopod came from.

SPEAKER_00 3:43

So for listeners who might not know what cold plunging is, what is it?

SPEAKER_02 3:48

Yeah. So it's really just the simple act of submerging your body in cold water. And that you have multiple things you can play with on that. So you can play with the time that you're in there and the temperature that you're sitting at. So you often see like the visual of people with literally ice blocks around them. And I just I think it's important to know it doesn't have to look like that. So it could be a cold shower for you. It could be, you know, sitting in a cold bathtub. And so what it does for you though, at the heart of it is it resets your nervous system. And that was why I felt so much better and so different quickly, because you're giving yourself this little tiny dip into fight or flight enough that it just it kind of like I always compare it to a light switch. It's like it flicks it and it's like, okay, we're reset now, we're gonna go back in a different way. The thing that I love so much is that it takes very little time. You're not sitting in that water for hours on end. And so as a mom and founder and all of these things, like that has been such a game changer of, you know, two minutes can be enough that I have to really be able to support myself in a day.

SPEAKER_00 5:00

I love that you bring up the time aspect because that is something I think a lot of us think about maybe subconsciously, but the awareness of, you know, I have a business to run, I have kids, I've got, you know, a family to take care of. I don't have time maybe to go on the hour-long run or go for a walk. And we might not have the energy, but having something that's accessible and right there that can truly like offer similar benefits, I think is really helpful.

SPEAKER_02 5:30

A hundred percent. And it's almost like that mental shift of like, I only have two minutes, I only have X, Y, and Z to be like, that's actually more than enough. Today, like that is all I have and all I actually need to be able to help myself feel the way I want to feel. And so, like, letting that also be be enough in its own. It doesn't have to be a littleness thing.

SPEAKER_00 5:53

So cool that you allowed your own healing to skyrocket this founder journey for yourself.

SPEAKER_02 6:00

Yeah, it's been exciting. And I think that that like personal story to it, also the brands I love most are usually that where it's like there's a really personal struggle that's behind that. And that's okay. Like we solved something that didn't exist for us.

SPEAKER_00 6:17

So tell us what is it like to own and kind of be manufacturing like a product and sourcing a product out for folks.

SPEAKER_02 6:26

It is wild. It is wild. I but I will say, like, I did more service-based work before this. So that is special in its own unique way. And when you take something that was literally an idea in your mind, like had no physical features to it, and you bring that to life, there is something like purely magical about that. It is so cool to see something manifest into reality that at one point was just like these swirling thoughts in your mind. So that, but it takes a lot of, it definitely takes a lot of like self-belief and conviction in what you're doing because there's a lot of ways to be like, this is hard. This is, you know, there's a lot of variable factors outside of yourself to make that happen. Um, so that is unique in its own piece of it. And, you know, a lot of it has been just being really clear in what it is that I need and want in the next steps of where we're going and trusting that that's gonna come and aligning with the right people to help make that happen. It definitely is a big collaborative effort, more so than anything I've worked on before. Like it really takes this whole blend of different people, resources, personalities, skills, all of those things.

SPEAKER_00 7:46

I love that you speak to so many of the aspects that truly make entrepreneurship worthwhile and challenging. Part of starting something and building something is that external validation or external support does not come immediately. So it is truly you sitting with the process, sitting with the product and saying, okay, I believe in it. I believe the people it's meant to find will find it, and I've got to stick with it. And part of growing and scaling is finding the right people to do it with.

SPEAKER_02 8:18

Yeah, yeah, exactly. And I think, you know, uh, I don't know about you, but I can definitely be one who's like, I can figure it out. I can do this, I can do all of the things. And I think it definitely took a physical product for me to be like, I didn't know that a product designer existed. I didn't know that someone could take your ideas and put them into a shape and form and and things like that. That I'm like, oh, there's so many really cool industries out there that now I get a touch and experience because I never knew those things existed before.

SPEAKER_00 8:48

You mentioned you were in service provider before. What services did you offer?

SPEAKER_02 8:53

So I did one-on-one like holistic coaching for a while. And then also I had this idea to bring mindfulness into schools for kids because so much of what I had supported my daughters with were tools that were like very easily accessible, but not everybody knew and not everybody had an awareness. So, how could we kind of change the world and make it better? But turns out schools are really hard to get into.

SPEAKER_00 9:17

Schools are challenging. They are, I learned pretty on. I was like, okay, I don't know if I'm built to work inside like a school system. And I was like, I'm okay with that. There's a lot of people who love it.

SPEAKER_02 9:27

So, and I think, you know, there's a you can certainly take those things and be like, oh, those things didn't work out. There's some kind of failure. And at the end of the day, I did think that for a while. I was like, oh gosh, like, what are people gonna think if I'm starting another something new? And then that was all in my head. That was all my own stuff. And then I I can see now the things that I had to have not go the way I planned it to be like, nope, you learned that lesson there, you learned how to do this there, and just that perseverance that by the time you kind of make it to your your thing, that it's like, oh, there's no doubt, like this is this is happening.

SPEAKER_00 10:03

Yeah, surrendering to the process. Exactly. How have you seen the skills that you developed through coaching translate into your work as the founder of Chil Pod?

SPEAKER_02 10:15

I think a lot of it comes back to the simplicity of trusting your gut instinct. Sometimes your own inexperience is actually like your best, your best quality. I fall back on that a lot, where I can get stuck in my head of like, oh, I'm not somebody who's like led a startup to exit. Like I haven't done those things yet, right? And then I'm like, but I think about things so differently because I've never done that. And I think that's actually like one of my superpowers is I just have a different perspective on it because I didn't come from manufacturing. I didn't come from these like prior lives and experiences where I have these preconceived notions. So I think that's a lot of what I would have led on in my coaching too. And it's sort of like that lesson back to myself of number one, trust your gut. It literally always leads you in the right place. And then also like not diminishing your experience just because you don't have it like on paper. There's something in there that you just inherently have that this was made for you.

SPEAKER_00 11:19

This is the perfect segue, as we were talking offline, just about how hard and challenging sometimes it can be for founders to trust our instinct and lean into that gut feeling. And when we're feeling stressed, when we're feeling overwhelmed, our anxiety can sometimes override that intuition. Why is it so challenging for founders to really ground into their intuition?

SPEAKER_02 11:45

I think it's because our attention is always getting pulled in so many different directions. Like your team needs you if you have a team, or even if you don't, you've got, you know, other people you're working with and other people who need and want something from you. And that can be really hard to find your footing when others are constantly asking you questions all the time. You have a constant feed of input, and I think that can be really challenging. And that has been a big piece for me of just figuring out like what do my boundaries look like there? Because it was very interesting. I I have worked with a coach for a long time, and at one point she was like, You really like figured out how to do personal boundaries, but you have no business boundaries.

SPEAKER_01 12:31

I was like, that is true.

SPEAKER_02 12:34

That is true, but it was like very startling at the time where you have to be able to construct those things that keep you grounded and you know protect you. Like actually, it happened last night that I don't like to sleep with my phone near me. If I do, it's definitely like in airplane mode, all of those things, because otherwise, in the back of my mind, I'm just like thinking about what is transpiring that I'm not. And so this morning I wake up to find out that part of my team had a whole meeting with our manufacturer without me because I was sound asleep. And but like sleep is a boundary for me because I know that if I don't do that, I do not show up in the way that I need to to be there fully for the next day. So some of those things, I'm like, great, they're late nighters, they can handle that stuff. They'll let me know what they need from me. I can make the final call when I wake up. But if I didn't do that, my sleep would be crap because I'd be thinking about that all night. I think just learning those ways that kind of safeguard yourself from your own like habits, whether they serve you or not, like that's your best way to come back and ground in your what your body needs. And you'll inherently let go of some of that stress because you're not worrying about it in the back of your mind all day long.

SPEAKER_00 13:53

Yeah. It's funny you mentioned the phone thing. I'll like turn my phone off at night. So I'll scroll a little bit and then I have to turn it off because I'm thinking about what's happening, what might come through, what I'm waiting for. I'm like, I need to sleep. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 14:08

And but a lot of people have a really hard time doing that, honestly. Like, I don't know if you hear that often, but I feel like that we're in the minority that actually like either turn it off or put it away, and it's just like inaccessible. I would never sleep otherwise. Oh my gosh, that would be hijacked my system all the time.

SPEAKER_01 14:28

No good.

SPEAKER_00 14:29

But it's, I mean, that double-edged sword of working for yourself and working from home. It's like, okay, well, I can work whenever I want. I can send this quick email at 10 p.m. Oh, only take me a second to get back to this person. But all of that, like it takes time and energy. And we look at the outcome sometimes, or we look at the 20 minutes, the more tangible aspects, and we really don't always sit and think about the emotional or mental energetic toll that it might take on us to make that choice.

SPEAKER_02 15:02

I actually recently, when I learned my lack of business boundaries, I also took to kind of time blocking myself for the first time of I am a huge, I would always be like, oh, I have like these 10 tiny tasks to do. Obviously, I can do those in like five minutes. I'll do all of that stuff. And I was realizing that I was running myself at such a pace that it literally didn't even feel good. I was like, I'm just trying to do these things to like be a good leader and check off all the things. And then when I kind of shifted how I was doing that and not like running from all these or running to all these little things to check off, like it really changed energetically how I felt and how I was showing up too. You know, you can carve out time to do those things, but it doesn't have to be in a rushed pace or you can kind of make that on your time too, even though you're like leading something big.

SPEAKER_00 15:53

Yeah. And it sounds like you have a team that you trust. I mean, going back to your story about them being able to handle a meeting while you're sleeping, a lot of founders feel like they have to be hands-on, they have to be at every meeting, listening to everything, reading everything. And it sounds like you've been able to build a team that you can trust and yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:15

And I mean, that is it's a huge step. It's it's strange to like hand those pieces over and and put that trust out there, but it's so much better in the end, at least for me. I can only speak to my own experience, but I mean, the the amount of space that frees up. And then when you look around, like even on a Zoom meeting, I did it this morning and I was like, look at what look at all these people that are here. Like they all believe in that same vision. Like, there's something so magical about that to just to see like it went from an idea in your mind, and now all these people believe in it too. Like, this is wild.

SPEAKER_00 16:52

How important is it to have the right people around you?

SPEAKER_02 16:56

I would rather have few people of the right people than more of like people that are just there to be there. So I think of really trusting your gut and knowing if they are the right people because we've had some interesting experiences where initially my gut feel was like these were the right people, and then they turned out not to be. I feel like, you know, just keep keep your eyes open and and and be able to pivot when you need to, you know, it can feel like the end of the world for something like that to change and usually, you know, you end up seeing it in the right amount of time. But yeah, having the right people around you, it changes everything because they bring in fresh perspectives, they bring in things that you don't have, which is the whole point.

SPEAKER_00 17:41

Yeah, it is, you know, we have these relationships, we find people that we feel like would be a good match, and then for one reason or another, something happens and we learn, okay, we have to course correct, we have to pivot. Like you said, being able to switch gears when needed, and sure we can like beat ourselves up about how do we let this person in. We should have like had like better assessment of the situation, but it also gets to be a learning lesson. I think a lot of times we forget that, like, okay, now I see like what doesn't work for me and what I'm looking for in and my team and people I'm working with, what I'm looking for to build things with, because that is when we're able to identify clearly what we want, that's just as important as being able to identify what we don't want.

SPEAKER_02 18:31

And sometimes it takes those hard situations to be able to actually see that. And I don't know about for you, but for me, like there's time, I mean, I can be stubborn for sure, and I'll be like, no, I learned that lesson, I'm good. And I'm like, wait a second, that same lesson has showed up like three times now. Clearly, I didn't get that the first time, you know. So yeah, I think they're once you're able to really see that, and then you know, sometimes it's hard. It helps or it. I definitely have those moments of like, oh, it just it makes me lose a little faith in humanity. And you know, you I want to believe that all people are out there for the betterment, and at the end of the day, they're not. And so learning to also know how to kind of safeguard yourself in those situations and still show up the way you want to, but you know what? Maybe people don't get that much of you until you know that you're really sure. So there's also value in that, and I think that's important. I can see where that is important to learn now rather than 10 years from now.

SPEAKER_00 19:33

How important is visibility for you as a founder?

SPEAKER_02 19:38

I feel like it's an important piece and it's a piece I really enjoy. So that like to your point on the podcast circuit, I think it was about this time last year, maybe. I like literally floated out an idea to a friend. I was like, I just feel like I want to go on a few more podcasts. And she was like, look what you did. So I think it is important because I for me, the thing that I am hoping to do is like to A, I'm always here to support another woman and another female founder. Like, that's just always gonna be at the heart of what I want to do. But I also want to give other people like the cold plunge world does not have to be all of these dude bros jumping in ice cold water. Like, let's make it look a little different, right? So, like to show that it doesn't have to, I feel like what I can bring to people is just a different perspective on how to approach cold plunging. So at the end of the day, like I just want to make people's lives better. I know how it's changed me. I would love to do that for someone else. And I don't know that we get a ton of those voices anymore. So that's why I've kind of put myself out there to just do this and try and help connect with more people than my little circle in my sphere would bring.

SPEAKER_00 20:51

So funny because my next question was going to be what's a big misconception you think people have about cold plunging?

SPEAKER_02 20:56

I mean, I think that people do think it has to be ice, it's those extremes that from like a social media perspective are the things that grab your attention and pull you in. And I just want to soften the whole conversation to make it more the whole the whole thing I'm trying to build is a more human practice to it. Like, how does your body feel in that moment? Does your body feel awful? You need to get out of that water, you know, and honoring that is so much more impactful than staying in because your friend stayed in for four minutes. Like that means nothing. So I think just helping people understand there's so many ways to approach it and you know, make it your own, make it what you want, come and go as you need to, all of those things.

SPEAKER_00 21:37

This is certainly expanding my perception because I always saw people like, okay, it's got to be ice cold, but you're inviting it to be seen as like a self-care practice, something that can ground you versus something that needs to push you.

SPEAKER_02 21:52

And I think like the secret sauce is that when you approach it that way, inevitably it actually you do. actually you get those abilities to push yourself. You don't, you're not doing it in an intentional way. It's like the undercurrent of what's happening. I had a friend ask me one time, she's like, you cold plunge in the morning. Like, do you think that that actually helps you show up and do really hard things in the day because you've already done this like very undesirable thing first thing in the morning. And I was like, you know, I never thought about it that way. But I think you're right. Like I say some, I say yes to something that's uncomfortable and not fun in the moment. I never want to get in it in the morning, but I do it and I and I still I show up, I do it, and I show myself that I can. And then I know going into a hard meeting, I can do that. I have done that before. So it's just it like it translates into so many different areas of our lives. And I think that's the stuff that people just aren't talking about.

SPEAKER_00 22:51

It also sounds like it's allowing folks to build safety around risk taking like feeling that discomfort and being able to sit with it. Like if I can sit in this cold water for three minutes, I can pitch this email out or I can call this person or I can make this choice about my business. If I know I can tolerate this much discomfort, I can I can do anything really it's really empowering.

SPEAKER_02 23:20

It is it's so empowering. And it's like it's not something that everybody does. So you kind of feel like a badass just for doing it. You're like, you know what? I am out in the rain. It is cold and I am still getting in the cold water. And you know and I I think about that when like my kids are usually like having breakfast and I'm on the other side outside doing that or whatever. And I'm like, you know what? I'm showing them that like you show up for yourself. You show up for yourself first and then you show up for everybody else too. And you know, but giving back to yourself I think especially in the morning is really it sets yourself up in a different way.

SPEAKER_00 23:55

How long do you typically cold plunge?

SPEAKER_02 23:59

It does kind of ebb and flow. I like to close my eyes and listen to music when I do it. So it just like depends on the song that I'm into at the moment. Some are short and some are longer. I usually I'd say about two and a half minutes, but there's times where I might turn on a good song and I make it to like four minutes, but that's rare. That is rare.

SPEAKER_00 24:19

Okay. That feels like really digestible like when I think about a self-care practice like we talked about earlier that time like okay jump in two and a half minutes and then hop in the shower or jump in two and a half minutes and make your coffee it feels like a digestible way to integrate it into like your day-to-day practice.

SPEAKER_02 24:40

Yep I completely agree. And the more you just like pair it with things that you already do and it's just like a part of your routine you're like nope I'm never going to feel like I want to do this. But I'm going to do it anyways that's a lot of it you know it's always going to be a wall of resistance that you don't want to but if you think about it from a self-care practice maybe that's what makes you curious and wanting to try it or whatever it is that like to me is on the other side of that wall of resistance like we're never going to break through that wall but you can imagine what's on the other side and what's over there and then imagining that and you literally you can change your life from it.

SPEAKER_00 25:19

There's no question in my mind. So turning the phone off is one system that allows you to stay regulated and present and and just able to bring your best self to your work. What's another system or strategy that you use to allow yourself to be your best when you said that I thought of two things.

SPEAKER_02 25:39

One is I'm a big fan of walking meetings. So I'll just like plug in my headphones and take a walking meeting instead of being in front of a screen and for me my best ideas come to me when I'm on foot. I feel like I am more present because I am not worried about anything else around me or anything going on in my home. So for me walking meetings are a great way to do that. And then the other thing is meditation like for me meditation is just that's a non-negotiable as much as my cold plunge practice is those two things like if I had to give up everything else those those two would still remain because I can be somebody who really gets in their head and for me meditation is a way to like come back to my heart to know that that is actually where all my creativity lies to know that I can like feel those thoughts slow down and I can just kind of like surrender and come back to the day. So when I get up I actually first thing go and sit down do my meditation and then like carry on the day from there.

SPEAKER_00 26:43

And that for me is like that one's the key to it's it's so fascinating you describe yourself as someone that like can really be in their head or really overthink things or like get really wrapped up in the day to day you carve out a lot of time to be mindful.

SPEAKER_02 27:03

I do I appreciate that I do because I know that I'm not the same person if I don't do it. And I can see the difference I feel the difference in my body and I just know like even for example like most weekends I kind of like let my practices go, but I always feel a little bit different those days. Like it's just not the same. So in theory I would love to say that I do it do all my things every day but I also think that's a good practice for myself of like, but what if those things aren't there? But yeah, for a long time I had a hard time with like how much time that took and was that selfish and taking myself away from work or family. And at the end of the day I was like I am not my best for any of those things unless I do these things. So they just they're non-negotiables.

SPEAKER_00 27:50

Yeah I was gonna ask how did you allow yourself to have the permission and space to treat these practices with equal importance as you would treat like a a business meeting or family time.

SPEAKER_02 28:04

Honestly for the meditation I had to kind of mindset my or like hack myself into that's actually my leadership training. So I know that I show up as I get my best ideas there. I actually like that is the place where change actually happens. So I need to prioritize that the same as I would a meeting an interview anything like that. That for me really helped make sure that that happened too because I would be like oh it's fine I'll just do 10 minutes today. And for me I'm I'm 20 minutes. I know the meditations I like I have a couple guided ones that I love and I know that when I do those everything changes. So why am I denying that this is happening I just need to do it.

SPEAKER_00 28:51

Yeah right is incorporating like not only the personal benefit but you know this is a way for me to elevate as a leader.

SPEAKER_02 29:00

Yes, exactly. And you know even like the walking outside or things like that that are grounding practices for myself I just know that I'm not as I'm not as reactionary. Like I can get it's very easy for me to like have messages coming in from people and being like must reply to them all as fast as possible when I have taken that time to ground myself and like no it's not like tune in, see what's right and then you reply. You know, it's just sort of it's almost like a little bit of a rewiring you have to find those practices that that get you to that place to know that like it's okay. You are a hundred percent fine in saying like I need to get back to you and I'll get back to you in an hour or whatever it is. There's so much urgency in our space. Oh my gosh. Yes yes yeah yeah I think I'm kind of I might be kind of a squeaky wheel on that one because I I do have a sense of urgency but it's kind of like my I know that I again would show up differently and I don't want to be that person. I want to be the different version of me that is the most like resourced version of myself and that takes these things and that's just what it is.

SPEAKER_00 30:14

And it's like you said it's redefining what success means and looks like for you and allowing yourself to anchor in that truth rather than emulating someone else's idea exactly.

SPEAKER_02 30:26

And I think that goes back to your question about like why do I kind of put myself out there as a founder? Why do I enjoy podcast interviews? It's to spread that like to spread a different narrative of what leadership can look like and it can look like your own version of it. It should. Mm-hmm what's next for Chill pod well we have our first pods that are landing here very shortly so that's very exciting and yeah so it's kind of like we've been in this almost holding pattern of you know waiting for product to get here and to really be able to see the final and be able to to sell that. And so that's the big thing.

SPEAKER_01 31:07

So we've got pods that are arriving next month ideally and yeah I know I know it's very exciting because sometimes you're like boy these things are like they're just sitting over there a little worth they'll definitely be real in here and that will be very exciting.

SPEAKER_02 31:27

Oh my goodness what does that moment mean for you as a founder to be able to have the product and be able to now share something that has changed your life personally now with the world it feels like it's like that final stamp of validity like you know how sometimes it's like it's like almost a little bit of a trust fall until then where you're like I promise like this is going to be the coolest thing you've ever seen they're like cool but we'd like to see it. So you know I think it's just when I saw it for the first time and was actually able to sit in something that was created in my mind that blew my mind but I really like to see all three colors in real life to see it in my backyard to see it in a showroom like those things I I've dreamt about them for a long time. So I'm really excited for it.

SPEAKER_00 32:19

This conversation I I think is going to reach a lot of people because it is so important that we anchor in our own version of success because that actually alleviates so much burnout because it allows us to move from a place of purpose from value aligned action versus trying to be something or someone that we're not or who we may not even want to be. Yes you said it very eloquently and very true.

SPEAKER_01 32:49

That's so true.

SPEAKER_02 32:51

Where can people find you if they are you know want to connect or want to learn more so you if you're curious about chill pod you can check out everything at the chill pod dot co and it's the same handle on Instagram. And if you want to hear more about me my founder journey kind of behind the scenes of the whole thing you can follow me over at Chris RiceWellness.

SPEAKER_00 33:13

Chris thank you so much for joining me today.

SPEAKER_02 33:15

Thank you for having me. It was a delight